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-Personally, I advocate
overthrowing the government.

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-It's time we looked
in the mirror,

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changed our ways, time we
were Great Britain, instead of

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genocidal Britain.

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-People always say that you
can never change anything.

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You can never change the
way the world is run.

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Say that to the suffragettes.

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Say that to the American
Civil Rights Movement.

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Say that to the
apartheid movement.

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Look what happened.

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I mean, it's not
the perfect world.

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But they did change something.

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-Students.

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Peace campaigners.

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Full of idealism and ideas.

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But is peace really possible?

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And if so, how do we
go about getting it?

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-Peace is possible.

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But it's down to
you, down to me.

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Peace is like a jigsaw.

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6,000 piece jigsaw.

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Most important piece
is the one that's

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missing when you get
to the end, isn't it?

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You say, ah, there's
a piece missing.

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And that's you, my friend!

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-I simply don't
accept the argument

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that people are
inherently greedy

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and that there will
always be wars for money.

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There will always be people
trying to be competitive.

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And I think eventually
human beings

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have to learn to not be--
kind of work collectively.

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-I think it's human nature
to often have conflict.

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We can have conflict with each
other on a personal level,

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within groups of
friends, or even

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within larger groups
like societies and so on,

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but I don't think
that necessarily means

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that there has to be a war.

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-War is never for
liberation of people.

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If we talk about the Second
World War, wasn't it great

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we beat Hitler?

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That's a load of rubbish.

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And Churchill wasn't
a fascist but he

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did say things, like in
1912, the mentally ill

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and handicapped
should be sterilised.

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That's never mentioned, is it?

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Winston Churchill was our
great war time leader.

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How can someone in
Britain-- how can Churchill

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say, "Hitler, what the hell
do you think you're doing?

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Get back here!"

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I mean, complete hypocrisy.

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-Uh hang on.

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What was that?

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Let's hear that again.

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-How can someone in
Britain-- how can Churchill

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say, "Hitler, what the hell
do you think you're doing?

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Get back here!"

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I mean, complete hypocrisy.

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-Right.

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So it was wrong for Churchill
to stop the Second World War.

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What exactly should
we be doing then?

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-I'm not one of these people
who believe that individually I

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can stop the terrors
in the Middle East

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but I know through
organising with people

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and actually individually,
I can influence those people

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around me.

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-We've each got
to play our part.

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We might think, oh I'm
small, I'm nothing.

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What can I do?

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No, we're all needed, aren't we?

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Every one of us.

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-It will almost take something
quite big to get everyone

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to change their mindset
and say, we can no longer

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do things like go to war and
it's just out of the question.

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-I think we'd need, first of
all, to introduce mechanisms

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so that countries that
do want to go to war

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find it much more difficult than
they currently do to go to war.

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And of course, one of
the big things for me

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as part of CND at the moment
is that those countries that

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go to war all too often have
nuclear weapons, weapons

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of mass destruction, that could
destroy the world many times

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over in their possession.

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-What do you mean, weapons
of mass destruction?

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Have you ever heard of weapons
of minimum destruction?

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We should go into battle
with pink feather dusters!

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International trade doesn't have
to be international trade which

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exploits all these people
just to make money.

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International trade I
think would be something

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whereas like, "Oh,
you need this?

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OK, that's great.

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Have some!"

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-The NHS, it was set up
in order for everyone

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to be able to access free
health care when they need it

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without any discrimination
between, you know,

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race, how much money you've
got in the bank, ethnicity,

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religion, gender,
all of these things.

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I think is it a little
glimmer of how society maybe

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can be run.

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-And all of us will
benefit by peace.

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Even the greedy
[BLEEP!], even they will.

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They'll learn a different way.

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They'll learn a way.

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