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There's far too many immigrants
in Britain at present.

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Nobody knows the number of
immigrants in this country,

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the government certainly don't know;

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they've massively underestimated
the number that came.

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I think some people may feel,

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because of the awareness
of new immigrants,

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that there's more immigration,
but I'm not sure that that's true.

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In terms of asylum seekers,
the numbers have dropped now

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to about 60,000, I think,

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which is one of the lowest figures
it's been for about 10 years.

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I certainly would call my
hometown unrecognisable now

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and you just feel uncomfortable
when you're sat on the bus

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and all the people around you
are talking a foreign language,

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you feel like you're
in a foreign country.

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If you move to this country,

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you'll want to move in to an area
where you feel comfortable,

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which has perhaps got a heritage
of your culture already,

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but I think when you start
having areas of the country

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that have become predominantly
divided along ethnic lines,

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then you can wander into
a section of a town

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and realise that this
isn't my area anymore,

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you should start thinking,
'Well, why has this happened?'

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I do feel sympathy for people who feel
like they're getting a rough deal

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and I think the way we get around
that is not by running off

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and setting up parties that stand
up for white, English people

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or that attack people who
aren't white and English.

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I think the way to do it is to make
sure that everyone plays by the rules

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and that we have a fair system
which makes people feel included.

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Too much diversity does come
with a loss of identity.

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If you truly appreciate diversity

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then you gonna want to keep
these cultures separate,

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otherwise we'll be destroying what
is a very individual, native thing

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within each respective country.

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Multiculturalism, I think, has failed

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and I think we should recognise
it has failed in the sense that

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the Muslim community lives
in this part of town;

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the Hindu community lives
in this part of town;

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and we can put it into these quarters,

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and that's a multicultural society,
well of course, it isn't,

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because you end up with
distinctive pockets of communities

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that sometimes don't end up
interacting and that's damaging.

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It's damaging to
communities and society.

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Immigration actually plays a big part in
telling us who we are as British people.

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You can't decide who you are,
sat in a dark room on your own,

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you decide who you are when you
meet people who are different to you

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and that tells you what
you have as a unique identity,

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working out what skills people have,

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working out what work experience
they've got or what education they might have

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and how that's useful to the
economy here is really important to do.

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Then, people who live here
and people who've grown up here,

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perhaps on low incomes
or in run down areas,

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don't feel like they're
getting cheated,

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they don't feel like they're
getting elbowed out the way

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by people that are coming
here and taking jobs.

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What it comes down to for me
about immigration to the UK

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is that the benefits are enormous;

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it is exciting to live in
a multicultural country,

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but of course, there are pressures
that come with immigration.

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If it's not controlled,
you don't know who's here,

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and that can have an effect on public services,

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on housing, on policing
and healthcare.

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You've got to look at why
it is that certain areas,

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in the north of England perhaps,
the white working classes,

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are being tempted to fall
for the kind of fascist,

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racist rants of the BNP.

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If I lived where they
originally come from,

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I'd probably want to seek a
better life for my family,

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you can't blame people for doing that,

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they're just looking for a better life.

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We have to be responsible here

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and we need to say,'No more.'

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Political correctness has
been a huge problem.

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People certainly feel that they can't
express their opinions these days.

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The amount of Eastern
European immigration;

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overall they take a lot
more than they give.

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Political correctness
is definitely an issue

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when it comes to discussing immigration,

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and it's often why the
debate is closed down

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or why nobody wants to
get too involved in it.

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Again, it's an area where
the BNP have capitalised.

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The debate in this country
around minority issues

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has changed so much in
the last 30 or 40 years.

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We've got to a place now,

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where we can have a sensible,
grown-up conversation

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about what people think
about these things,

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I think political correctness, as some people call it,

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has played a part in that.