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I adore meat.

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I love frying it, grilling
it, cooking it, devouring it.

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I have to have it and I think it's
very good for the body.

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Some people don't eat meat or dairy,

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others are vegetarians.

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Some people don't eat
meat but they eat fish,

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and some people just steer
clear of everything.

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I just don't understand how
people can palm off meat.

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Can't really get my head round
it, but I'd like to find out.

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A vegan is someone who abstains from
eating any animal products at all,

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so they don't eat meat like vegetarians,

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nor will they have dairy,
eggs; they won't wear leather,

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they won't use anything that involves
the exploitation or use of animals.

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Woah.

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What exactly do you eat

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if you don't eat anything as it were?

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Very much the same things you do,

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but I just do them differently
from how you would.

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Obviously vegetables, everyone can eat,

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vegetables are always vegan

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and most people should be eating
vegetables and fruit too.

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Beyond that, you've got
your grains, your pulses,

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you've got things like bean curd, tofu -

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the more traditional meat substitutes,

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and you've got ever-increasingly
realistic fake products as well,

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so you can get your fake cheese.

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You've got soy milk, oat milk, aris
milk, kiewa milk, almond milk...

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there's so many foods that
people never really explore,

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kind of the Western world anyway,

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so there's no shortage of things
to get your teeth around.

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Vegetarians will not eat meat
but they still eat dairy

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and dairy's sort of
cast off from animals.

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What do you think of that?

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I suppose with vegetarians,
it's really easy a link to make

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sort of, dead flesh,
something's died for it,

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but with dairy, it's
not such an easy link,

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and if anything,
the way it's advertised,

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the way it's turned into
a consumer object

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does sort of disguise that.

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It does take a bit of reading, a bit
of savvy, to sort of see through that,

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but the problem was
ultimately for me that

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you start looking at the dairy
industry and the practices involved,

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and it's no better really, it's so
closely linked to the meat industry.

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Every dairy calf out there, if it's
male, it hasn't got an economic purpose,

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so it goes to the veal industry, usually.

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If she's female, she's
going to inherit the job

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as a milk machine from
her mum ultimately

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and the milk's been
stolen from baby calves,

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which ultimately, when I read
all these bits and pieces

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just didn't make any sense to
me, it just didn't feel right,

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so I took the next step and thought,
'Well if this is still exploiting animals,

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then vegan's going to be
the way for me to go'.

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Is it not bland, all the lentils,
the pulses, everything else?

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You've got to weigh up,
even it were to be bland

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would it justify the practices
that are inevitably involved

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if you're going to eat meat?

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But in terms of the taste, it
really is whatever you make of it.

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If you want to have yourself a
really spicy casserole or a curry,

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if you want a meat taste,

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there's still the fake stuff, you cannot
tell the difference, it's as juicy.

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I've never eaten meat my in my entire life

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because my parents were both vegetarians

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and they brought me up that way

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and they've given me
the choice all my life,

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whether I wanted to eat meat or not.

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Reasons for being vegetarian have
been the same for a long time.

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One of the main reasons
is because of health,

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and I know that with vegetarians,

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the rate of obesity is much
lower than with meat eaters,

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and also it's the same with other
diseases like heart disease.

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See, the thing is, meat is
like a major part of my diet.

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I can't imagine not eating it.

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So how do you balance yours?

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You do need to substitute
meat with protein.

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There's things like beans, nuts, pulses...

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There's also lentils and things like that.

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You do need to substitute with
protein, but at the same time,

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a vegetarian meal is very
different to a meat meal.

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Where a meat meal will be
focusing on the actual meat,

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and then have things with the meat,

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vegetarian meal will be
much more about the whole meal,

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so, it's a different way of thinking.

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Do you ever feel like you're missing
out on wonderful tasting chicken,

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or juicy beef or anything?

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I mean, it's the beans, and all
the pulses, it's just so dry!

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That's the thing about vegetarianism,

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you have to find different ways of
preparing it and make them interesting.

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No-one's quite sure about
what a pescetarian is.

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Everyone knows what a vegetarian is,
of course, they just eat vegetables,

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things that are grown from the soil,

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but a pescetarian, we eat all
of that stuff, but we eat fish.

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Some of us eat shellfish - I do -
but we have no meat at all.

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As I was growing up, we had
a heavy meat-eating culture,

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because I'm from an African background,

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and it was a lot of chicken
and lamb and cow's foot,

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and every kind of meat
that you can ever imagine

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and then I turned about
19 and I just thought,

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'You know what, I'm not feeling too well',

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I was slightly overweight as well,

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and I thought,'I'm going
to try just eating fish',

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I did it for a few months
and I felt fantastic

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and I glowed and just
carried on basically.

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Would you consider fish to be a meat,
because that's what I've always wondered?

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No, not really.

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It's kind of borderline.

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The only thing that's the same
is that they're both proteins,

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but with fish I think it's more natural;

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the resources aren't going to
run down or deplete as much

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and it's cheaper

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and there isn't any ethical side.

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Okay, yes, something is living
and it dies so you can eat it,

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but it's not like the slaughtering and conditions

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that a lot of animals are kept
in and farmed and reared.

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It's more a natural state of
being for eating fish, I think.

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You can have a really good diet with
just a little bit of vegetables and fish,

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but I like to have beans and
pastas because I'm very active.

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I go to gym, I run, I dance,
so I need to make sure

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that all my food bases are covered

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and that will be a substitute, as adding
in beans, lentils, pulses, rices

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to add with the fish as well.

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What about the taste?

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The way you cook it, you can
grill it, you can fry it,

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roast it, put it in a casserole.

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There are so many options for you and
your fish will not taste the same.

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Tuck in and enjoy.

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It's like it's creamy and ... it's nice!

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See I told you. It's the way forward.

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That is quite nice, you see
and that's the problem,

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because as much as I like meat, some
vegetarian food's quite lovely.

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Oh, my God!

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Okay, shocked springs to mind,

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because it's just as
good as a chocolate cake.

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I've definitely not been converted.
At all.

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I still like meat.

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We've met them all today.

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You can't change anyone's opinions.

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Today clearly proves that everyone has
got their own views on what they eat.

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Each to their own!

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Right now, I think I'll go for
some sausage and mash.

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It’s beautiful...