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From the critically acclaimed BBC Two and iPlayer series Pilgrimage follows well known personalities of differing faiths and beliefs on a personal journey of discovery as they tackle some of the most famous walking routes across the UK and Europe. In this series the Pilgrims go to Austria in Pilgrimage The Road Through the Alps.

Nelufar and Steph chat with a refugee from Afghanistan, which has a special resonance for Nelufar because she was also a refugee from Afghanistan. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029kxg/pilgrimage-the-road-through-the-alps-episode-2?seriesId=b09w7lc0-structural-4-m0029kxc

Narrator:  Nelufar and Stef have gone to the town of Bludesch. On the outskirts is a refugee centre run by Caritas, an international Catholic charity. Nelufar came into the UK as a refugee from Afghanistan at the age of seven.

Nelufar:   It's one of the invisible things that make me who I am. But I am nervous.

Stef:         I feel like this is quite a personal story for you.

Nelufar:   Yeah.

Narrator:  They're meeting Faisal Karim. He's lived at the centre for a year with other international refugees from a range of backgrounds and situations.

Faisal:      Hey.

Nelufar:   Hi. Good to meet you. I'm Nelufar. Salaam alaikum.

Stef:         Stephanie.

Narrator:  Faisal Kareem was brought from Afghanistan by people traffickers and spent a difficult year moving through various countries before finally arriving in Austria.

Nelufar:   With his own eyes.

Nelufar:   How important was your faith in your journey?

Nelufar:   He says when you're a muslim, you're a muslim. His deen, his belief was always the same.

Nelufar:   Wow. Here. He's free to pray or not pray. But in Afghanistan, he had to pray. So then. Which is faith, which is real? You know,

Stef:       May I ask, what is your hope for the future? What is your dream now?

Nelufar:   Just normal things really ordinary things that we all have.

Narrator:  For now Faisal Karim has a job locally, studies German and spends time with the other refugees.

Stef:        Thank you so, so much.

Nelufar:  Bye!

Pilgrimage Moments: A Refugee Story

Video length - 04.18
Published date - Jun 2025
Keystage(s) - 3 and 4

From the critically acclaimed BBC Two and iPlayer series Pilgrimage follows well known personalities of differing faiths and beliefs on a personal journey of discovery as they tackle some of the most famous walking routes across the UK and Europe. In this series the Pilgrims go to Austria in Pilgrimage The Road Through the Alps.

Helen engages in a thoughtful and emotional conversation with Daliso, delving into her Jewish heritage and exploring the layered, often conflicting emotions she feels about the tragic fate of her father’s family, many of whom perished in the concentration camps of Auschwitz and Theresienstadt. As she reflects on this painful history, she grapples with the question of whether she has the right or even the responsibility to claim and “own” that legacy as part of her personal and cultural identity, especially given the generational distance and the complexity of inherited trauma.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029kxd/pilgrimage-the-road-through-the-alps-episode-1?seriesId=b09w7lc0-structural-4-m0029kxc

Pilgrimage Moments: Jewish Roots

Daliso:     On this pilgrimage. When we are going through these places, the memories like, how do you feel?

Helen:      It's triggering so much of, you know, obviously my father loved Austria so much because as a boy he would come to Austria. But then the more you know about the actual role that the Austrians purportedly played in the war, the two things are in conflict because a lot of Austrians were part of the Final Solution. I mean, this is the thing about numbers. The thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people who died, including my father's family in Auschwitz. I mean, it's just beggars belief, doesn't it?

Daliso:     Yes. So it was your father's family. How did your father get get away?

Helen:      Well, I think what was usual in 39 is you had to have a sponsor in England. They sent my father to school in Margate early, and then his parents followed and his sister followed.

Daliso:     And when you were growing up, was it spoken of or never spoken of.

Helen:      It wasn't largely spoken of because of the need and the gratitude to be English and wanting to put. The past you know, behind you and celebrate like we are just celebrating now, but move forward.

Daliso:     Yeah, do you feel your Jewishness plays a big part in your life?

Helen:      The Jewishness is complicated because I wasn't brought up in a Jewish home. We didn't. My mother was English, not Jewish. But when I think about my grandmother and the way she spoke and her sadness because there was obviously sadness, um, it's a conflict because you you've inherited this, like, paranoia that there's something you can't talk about, you can't overclaim it, because that would be a disservice to those people who are central to it. But it's really coming. It's kind of I'm feeling it now.

Daliso:     I'm feeling it here.

Helen:      So pick up your sticks. Let's go and catch up with the others.

Daliso:     I enjoyed a brief rest.

Helen:      A little rest.

Daliso:     Let's do it.

Helen:      More pilgrimage now.

 

Pilgrimage Moments: Jewish Roots

Video length - 02.41
Published date - Jun 2025
Keystage(s) - 3 and 4
Come and join us for Eid ul-Adha – the Festival of Sacrifice, celebrated by Muslims all around the world! Eid ul-Adha commemorates the story of Prophet Ibrahim’s devotion and willingness to sacrifice everything to Allah, symbolising faith, obedience, and generosity.
Our film outlines the traditions of Eid ul-Adha: morning Eid prayers at the mosque, the ritual sacrifice of an animal, and the sharing of meat with family, friends, and those in need. The celebrations of Eid ul-Adha help instil the values of compassion, gratitude, and community. With beautiful illustrations and live-action footage combined, we hope to inspire you with the joy of Eid ul-Adha!

Eid – Ul-Adha Transcript

Nadia:           Every year, Muslims like me celebrate the festival of Eid-ul Adha, which means the Festival of Sacrifice. My name is Nadia and Eid-ul Adha brings a special kind of energy into my home. It's a time for reflection, community, family and food. Eid-ul Adha begins on the 10th of Dhul Hijjah, which is the 12th month of the Islamic calendar. Back home in Bangladesh, my family get four days off for a proper celebration. But here in the UK, we squeeze the joy into one packed day. Around this time, Muslims from all over the world are on Hajj, which is the pilgrimage to the city of Makkah in Saudi Arabia. I haven't been yet, but it's something I dream of doing one day, insh'Allah. Eid ul-Adha takes place during the Hajj, and even though we're not there in Mecca, we still feel deeply connected to it. So we all celebrate together wherever we are. Eid ul-Adha is also when we remember the story of Prophet Ibrahim, Hajar and Ismail. Hajar held her baby close and rocked him gently. They were lost and alone in the scorching desert. Shh Ismail. Don't worry. I'll find us some water. She laid Ismail down on the sand and ran up a nearby hill to search the horizon. But there was no one to be seen. No glint of water, no vegetation, nothing. Hajar ran back down into the valley and up the other side to look in the opposite direction. Still nothing. Getting increasingly desperate. Hajar ran seven times between the two hills, looking for someone, anyone to help. Ismail began to cry and Hajar slumped down beside him. Please help us, Allah. Please show us mercy. Help! And Allah heard her prayer. Suddenly, crystal clear water gushed out of the ground and pulled around them. Hajar cupped her hands and gulped it down. Delicious. She dripped some water into Ismail's mouth, then heaped sand in a circle around the spring to create a shallow well. Laughing and shouting, Zam, Zam! Stop, stop! Later that day, some nomads were crossing the desert. One of them pointed at the sky. Look, birds circling ahead. They gazed up in amazement. There must be water nearby. But they knew of no oasis in this area. The nomads rode up the valley until they found a woman and a baby beside a well, where they'd never been one before. Hajar's husband was the Prophet Ibrahim. After some time, he found his wife and child living at the center of a small community that had quickly grown up around the Zam Zam well. It was the beginning of the city of Makkah. As soon as Ismail was old enough. Ibrahim took him out to help look after their sheep. Ismail was the most precious thing in Ibrahim's life, and he wanted to spend as much time with his son as possible. One night, Ibrahim had a dream. He saw himself sacrificing Ismail and knew it was a message from Allah. Ibrahim was distraught. Human sacrifice was common among the idol worshippers, but Allah had never demanded a life before. Even so, Ibrahim knew he couldn't disobey Allah and went to speak to Ismail. My dear son, I saw a dream that I must sacrifice you. Then you must do as Allah commands, said Ismail. So with heavy hearts, Ibrahim and Ismail walked out into the desert towards a place called Mina, where the sacrifice was to happen. Shaitan shimmered out of the heat haze in front of them. Don't do it, Ibrahim. Surely your son is more important to you than Allah. Ibrahim and Ismail were tempted to turn back, but they threw stones at the devil until he vanished. When they were halfway to Mina, Shaitan appeared again. Don't do it, Ibrahim. Think of Hajar. How must she be feeling? Surely your wife is more important to you than Allah. As before, they threw stones and Shaitan disappeared, only to reappear when they were nearly at Mina. Don't do it, Ismail. If your father really loved you, he would disobey Allah. But once more, Ibrahim and Ismail hurled stones at the apparition until he had gone. At last they arrived at the place of sacrifice. Ismail lay down, and Ibrahim raised his knife, ready to strike. Stop! Ibrahim, said the voice of Allah. You have passed the test. Ibrahim lowered the knife. Ismail got to his feet and they embraced, crying with relief and joy. When they parted, they saw a ram standing exactly where Ismail had been lying. They sacrificed the ram to Allah, cooked it, and then shared the meal with their family, their friends and the poor people of Makkah. Ibrahim had learned that he should always trust and obey Allah and to show his devotion, he built a cube shaped house of worship near to Hajar as well, where he could pray. It became known as the Ka'ba, which means cube, and for all Muslims it is the holiest place on earth. Because the Islamic calendar is shorter than the January to December one that most people use the date of Eid-ul Adha changes. Every year it's about ten days earlier, so we have to plan ahead. We usually buy new clothes to wear and getting ready on Eid morning is a whole ritual in itself. I always pick out a special outfit. Sometimes I go traditional and other times a bit more glam. I tend to stay at home and get a big meal ready for my family. But it's traditional to start the day by going to Eid prayers at the mosque or masjid, which is what we call our place of worship. So that's where my husband and brothers have gone. Everyone is encouraged to be there, and it's beautiful to see the whole community coming together, dressed in their best, greeting each other like one big family.

 

Interviewee 1:            First step, of course of Eid is always getting the prayer done in the morning. That's what makes Eid, Eid.

 

Interviewee 2 : It starts with the morning prayer. Just always remembering God at the beginning of the day. Allah in our religion, in our faith.

 

Nadia:           The story of Prophet Ibrahim, Hajar and Ismail is remembered in all sorts of ways. While people are on Hajj, they will run seven times between two hills and drink from the Zam Zam well, just like Hajar did. They will visit the Ka'ba that was originally built by Ibrahim, and they throw stones at three pillars, just like Ibrahim and Ismail threw at Shaitan to make him go away. And all Muslims, wherever they are, will make a sacrifice. In Muslim countries, families often keep an animal to sacrifice on the day. But in the UK, most of us give money instead so that a sacrifice can be made on our behalf. However it's done, the meat will be cooked and shared with the family and traditionally with the poor. These days we often donate to charities who do this work on a wider scale. For me, it's all about making a big meal, gathering everyone and making sure no one leaves hungry.

 

Interviewee 3 : We get a celebration to enjoy each other, enjoy food, good food. That's where the sacrifice comes from. People who are out in Makkah who are doing Hajj, they will also be having a very special day, which is why we celebrate here on the same day.

 

Interviewee 2:            This Eid ul-Adha about the sacrifice of Prophet Ibrahim, Prophet Abraham, and the sacrifice he made for the sake of God and a special day for us, because we appreciate the sacrifices that we also have to make for God as well, and take that into account. And also, it's a nice blessed day to spend time with our family and friends and eat good food.

Interviewee 1 So me personally, myself, I'm not going to sacrifice a sheep. However, I have put money aside towards being used to sacrifice a sheep, and once that sheep has been sacrificed, it's going to be donated into poor areas where they don't have facilities to eat.

 

Interviewee 2 : Sometimes it's a bit difficult in this country, but what we do is our family back in Pakistan who are able to give to the more poor people there, they do it on our behalf and they distribute that to all the poor people in the area. And everyone that needs some food, which is another edition of Eid ul-Adha, which is feeding those who are less fortunate around us.

 

Interviewee 4:            At home, actually. My family is going to be back home. So they're going to sacrifice a bull or cow for me because we've got a lot of family members. So sheep is not going to be enough. So my thinking will do for a cow or bull or something.

 

Nadia:           We say Eid Mubarak to each other, which means blessed festival or happy festival. And the kids look forward to their Eidi's. That's money or presents. I still remember when I was a child, my favourite part was counting up all the notes from my uncles and aunties.

 

Interviewees: Eid Mubrak!

 

Interviewee 5:            My kids usually get to money and stuff. Unfortunately, I fell out of that category just a couple of years ago, so I don't get any money anymore. But the money and presents for the kids.

 

Interviewee 3:            Eid is celebrated a number of different ways. Some people go like to enjoy it as a community. There's often fares, fun fares. People get together in a large community, and then there's also the family Eid, which is what we tend to do. We go around to multiple houses, eat multiple different foods. We eat way too much, which is why the loose fitting clothing actually really helps.

 

Interviewee 1 : My favourite part to eat, first of all, is the the final part where you get to spend time with family. Enjoy the meal at the end of the day.

 

Interviewee 6:            My favourite thing about Eid is chilling with my family and my friends. It's all about like having fun and everything. It's about celebrating what Prophet Abraham did for us and everything, just thinking about our religion and everything. That's why I think the best part about Eid.

 

Interviewee 2 : I agree as well about the family aspect, spending time with family and friends, but also for me, it's got to be the food. That's definitely, uh. So we have certain Eid foods that we only get on Eid.

 

Interviewee 7:            What I like best about Eid is, I think it's a time where we remember the sacrifice of others. You remember the poor people. And also we get together as family. Everyone usually takes the day off. So it's a nice time to catch up with everyone and enjoy ourselves. And definitely the best thing is the food.

 

Nadia:           But more than anything, Eid is a reminder. Prophet Ibrahim was ready to give up what he loved most. To obey Allah and Eid Ul-Adha reminds us that sometimes we have to make sacrifices too, for our faith, for our loved ones, and for those in need. I teach my daughter that even giving a little time, food, or kindness can mean the world to someone else.

 

Interviewees: Eid Muburak!

 

Eid ul-Adha

Video length - 12.03
Published date - Jun 2025
Keystage(s) - 3 and 4

From the critically acclaimed BBC Two and iPlayer series Pilgrimage follows well known personalities of differing faiths and beliefs on a personal journey of discovery as they tackle some of the most famous walking routes across the UK and Europe. In this series the Pilgrims go to Austria in Pilgrimage The Road Through the Alps.

Daliso leads a discussion with all the Pilgrims about the Baháʼí faith and the belief that all religions are equal in their search for the truth.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029kxd/pilgrimage-the-road-through-the-alps-episode-1?seriesId=b09w7lc0-structural-4-m0029kxc

Pilgrimage Moments: The Bahá’í Faith Transcript

Daliso:    When I was born, I was Christian and I was extremely Christian in that, like I talked to God, like not even praying. And then when I was 17, I was invited to a Baha'i deepening. Right. So by a very attractive girl. So I've got to say, the only reason I agreed was because she was hot. It wasn't actually a search for faith.

 

Stef:        As a saying flirt to convert.

 

Harry:     Stef. That seems like you've done it a few times.

 

Daliso:    But what she invited to me was amazing, because Baha'i is believed that the greatest truth is the search for truth, the independent search for truth. They believe in all the prophets, the founders of the great religions, but they're equal. It's like if there's a mountain. Truth is at the top. There are many ways to get to the top, right? That's the Christian way. That's the Muslim way. That's the Baha'i way. But you're all trying to reach the truth. And prophets are almost just like guides, and it's kind of like breadcrumbs to lead you to the truth. And I'm like, I'm reading all the breadcrumbs and trying to figure it out, because right now, I wouldn't necessarily define myself as a Baha'i because I'm still looking. I'm still questioning, but I've not yet belonged.

 

Nelufar:  Is it lonely?

 

Daliso:    No, because I would almost say, like my faith is my solace. Right. So I still get fully fulfilled. Like I will read privately religious texts and think about it. I love faith where it feels like it's opening up bits of me and it's like, do you know what I mean?

 

Helen:     It's welcoming you.

 

Daliso:    It's welcoming me and it's embracing me.

 

Pilgrimage Moments: The Bahá’í Faith

Video length - 02.08
Published date - May 2025
Keystage(s) - 3 and 4

From the critically acclaimed BBC Two and iPlayer series Pilgrimage follows well known personalities of differing faiths and beliefs on a personal journey of discovery as they tackle some of the most famous walking routes across the UK and Europe. In this series the Pilgrims go to Austria in Pilgrimage The Road Through the Alps.

Steph tells the group about the boating accident that led to her having her right leg amputated below the knee at the age of 15. She describes how it was the beginning of her faith.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029kxg/pilgrimage-the-road-through-the-alps-episode-2?seriesId=b09w7lc0-structural-4-m0029kxc

Pilgrimage Moments: Journey of Faith Transcript

Narrator:  Now the group know each other better. Stef decides to tell them about her accident.

Stef:        I do appreciate that no one's kind of just asked. Just because it is a tough story to tell. When I was 15, we were doing this thing called tubing, which is when you attach a rubber inner tube to the back of a speedboat and you go flying across the water. I hit a wave and I flipped off, and the driver had no idea I was in the water, and I saw the boat coming, and I knew immediately something was wrong. He is just he's coming way too fast. And I just remember the last thing, just seeing that ridge of the boat as as it went on top. I just knew from my friends faces as they pulled me onto the boat that you know this. This is not good. Like there is too much blood. I remember being in the back of the ambulance and just desperate to survive. Suddenly that was it. In a split second, that was it. There was going to be no more time. And it was terrifying. And I prayed for the first time. Probably. Seriously? God, please, please save me. And I know that he answered that prayer. And I remember waking up from surgery and just feeling so grateful. And then my mum walked into the recovery room. And she was the one who had to tell me that my right foot had had to be amputated. And I was devastated. I was so thankful to still be alive. But I was so angry. I just thought, how can a God save you and yet leave you in such a cruel position. But I think back now, and I cannot deny that there was another. I think presence is the best word that I can say. It just felt like something was fighting for my life. Something that said, this sucks right now, but it will not be like this forever. A day will come when this is going to be okay and this level of hope. That was the start of of my faith, which sounds bizarre, but that was it. I will never forget. Seven days after the accident, a nurse walked into my room who absolutely changed my life. She said, Stephanie, it is time. It is time to move forward. Others have and you can too. Wow. Yes. I was shocked because she was the first person who had walked into that room and didn't feel sorry for me. I had absolutely zero pity. That was the first time that I actually felt like doing something or fighting that was enough to just release that competitive spark.

Nelufar:   Is that hope? What has carried you through all of those Paralympics and the awards and the accolades? Is that the genesis of that hope?

Stef:         Um, you've got me going there. Um, yes. Because I think like that to me is that if you don't have hope, I just think, what? What is the point? There's nothing else.

Daliso:     I find you're someone who makes me believe more, um, when I talk to you. Because I had a certain amount of faith. And then it's not that I lost it. It just became a thing in the background. And then when I talk to you, I remember the fervour which I had, and I miss it. And so I just find you've been a catalyst for faith. Yeah.

Helen:      Thank you for taking us through that and coming out the other side and showing us what faith is.

Stef:         Thank you for listening. Thank you. I really appreciate that.

 

Narrator:  Now the group know each other better. Stef decides to tell them about her accident.

Stef:         I do appreciate that no one's kind of just asked. Just because it is a tough story to tell. When I was 15, we were doing this thing called tubing, which is when you attach a rubber inner tube to the back of a speedboat and you go flying across the water. I hit a wave and I flipped off, and the driver had no idea I was in the water, and I saw the boat coming, and I knew immediately something was wrong. He is just he's coming way too fast. And I just remember the last thing, just seeing that ridge of the boat as as it went on top. I just knew from my friends faces as they pulled me onto the boat that you know this. This is not good. Like there is too much blood. I remember being in the back of the ambulance and just desperate to survive. Suddenly that was it. In a split second, that was it. There was going to be no more time. And it was terrifying. And I prayed for the first time. Probably. Seriously? God, please, please save me. And I know that he answered that prayer. And I remember waking up from surgery and just feeling so grateful. And then my mum walked into the recovery room. And she was the one who had to tell me that my right foot had had to be amputated. And I was devastated. I was so thankful to still be alive. But I was so angry. I just thought, how can a God save you and yet leave you in such a cruel position. But I think back now, and I cannot deny that there was another. I think presence is the best word that I can say. It just felt like something was fighting for my life. Something that said, this sucks right now, but it will not be like this forever. A day will come when this is going to be okay and this level of hope. That was the start of of my faith, which sounds bizarre, but that was it. I will never forget. Seven days after the accident, a nurse walked into my room who absolutely changed my life. She said, Stephanie, it is time. It is time to move forward. Others have and you can too. Wow. Yes. I was shocked because she was the first person who had walked into that room and didn't feel sorry for me. I had absolutely zero pity. That was the first time that I actually felt like doing something or fighting that was enough to just release that competitive spark.

Nelufar:   Is that hope? What has carried you through all of those Paralympics and the awards and the accolades? Is that the genesis of that hope?

Stef:         Um, you've got me going there. Um, yes. Because I think like that to me is that if you don't have hope, I just think, what? What is the point? There's nothing else.

Daliso:     I find you're someone who makes me believe more, um, when I talk to you. Because I had a certain amount of faith. And then it's not that I lost it. It just became a thing in the background. And then when I talk to you, I remember the fervour which I had, and I miss it. And so I just find you've been a catalyst for faith. Yeah.

Helen:      Thank you for taking us through that and coming out the other side and showing us what faith is.

Stef:        Thank you for listening. Thank you. I really appreciate that.

 

Pilgrimage Moments: Journey of Faith

Video length - 1.46
Published date - May 2025
Keystage(s) - 3 and 4

From the critically acclaimed BBC Two and iPlayer series Pilgrimage follows well known personalities of differing faiths and beliefs on a personal journey of discovery as they tackle some of the most famous walking routes across the UK and Europe. In this series the Pilgrims go to Austria in Pilgrimage The Road Through the Alps.

Harry calls Nelufar a “rule breaker” and asks her why she’s still a Muslim. Nelufar describes what it means – to her – to be a modern Muslim. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029kxg/pilgrimage-the-road-through-the-alps-episode-2?seriesId=b09w7lc0-structural-4-m0029kxc

Pilgrimage Moments: A Modern day Muslim

Harry:      You seem a bit like a rule breaker. So how do you overcome that in your faith? And essentially, why do you still believe in your God and why are you still Muslim?

Nelufar:   I've learned that the rules of my faith do not make a good Muslim because I'm rebellious, because I've chosen to modernise the faith. My faith lives on, and the only way that I can really do that is sometimes by bending, if not breaking the rules a little bit Harry so.

Harry:      Well, I'm like you, just in a different faith, so that's why I asked. That's why I said.

Nelufar:   The point is, Harry, that I make decisions for myself. You know, I've got a white atheist husband. You know, I'm a feminist. I'll go to the beach. I'll go for a swim. I don't wear the hijab, but no one can tell me I'm not a muslim because I tell me I'm a muslim.

Harry:      So would you say you're damned by now? And how do you. How do you bear that?

Nelufar:   Never shy away from asking the hardest questions on earth. Yeah, you keep cracking on. Am I damned? Yeah, I think so. But I don't know if I believe in the version of the God that would damn me for living the life that I pick.

 

Pilgrimage Moments: A Modern Day Muslim 

Video length - 01.39
Published date - May 2025
Keystage(s) - 3 and 4

From the critically acclaimed BBC Two and iPlayer series Pilgrimage follows well known personalities of differing faiths and beliefs on a personal journey of discovery as they tackle some of the most famous walking routes across the UK and Europe. In this series the Pilgrims go to Austria in Pilgrimage The Road Through the Alps.

Nelufar talks with the Pilgrims about her discomfort that so many terrible things have been done in the name of religion. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029kxd/pilgrimage-the-road-through-the-alps-episode-1

Pilgrimage Moments: In the Name of Faith

Nelufar:   I often feel in conflict with my faith, so I. I don't know how to fit in and it kills me like it really bothers me inside. So I just, I think, I don't mean to be cynical and I am loving this dinner. I really, really am.

Helen:      What's your thing? That's the thing.

Nelufar:   On this table sits the Abrahamic faiths. Those of us who believe in them and those of us who don't. We have fought wars. We have killed. We have maimed. We have done terrible things to one another in the name of faith. And so I feel that I carry that for what's done in my name and in the the name of my faith. I feel like I carry that. I feel responsible for it.

Daliso:     I have a question. Do you feel these terrible things done in the name of faith? Were the intention of the faith or perversion of the faith?

Nelufar:  I don't think it matters.

Daliso:     Do you think Christ is a fan of people killing in his name? Do you think Muhammad is a fan of people killing his name? My point is, I think it's humans get this beautiful thing, which is faith, which is messages of love. But we're still humans, and there's still politics, and they're still wanting to conquer each other.

Nelufar:   Jeff has no faith. He has messages of tolerance. Faith doesn't determine that. Right? And sometimes.

Daliso:    That's not what I said either.

Nelufar:   I know but.

Daliso:     I would say.

Nelufar:   I'm getting really anxious now.

Daliso:     Do you think? Which is fine. We go to all the emotions.

Jeff:          We're all in this together. Don't worry.

Daliso:     We can go to. We can go to Joy. We can go to discomfort.

Nelufar:   My point is how can any of us not feel as though terrible things have been done in our name? Look that's the point is, it's not the vibe for dinner.

Stef:         Actually, it does hurt when I hear you say, talk about Christian faith and the awful things that have been done because awful things have been done. But I don't think that that is because of Jesus. Because if you look at that message, his message was love. And we have perverted that. And part of the Christian faith is actually that people are broken. Every single one of us is broken. And I just think so many of these messages have been twisted by us. And actually, it's about getting back to what did these texts say?

Pilgrimage Moments: In the Name of Faith

Video length - 02.41
Published date - May 2025
Keystage(s) - 3 and 4

From the critically acclaimed BBC Two and iPlayer series Pilgrimage follows well known personalities of differing faiths and beliefs on a personal journey of discovery as they tackle some of the most famous walking routes across the UK and Europe. In this series the Pilgrims go to Wales in Pilgrimage The Road Through North Wales.

Tom and Spencer join Sonali on a day’s fast to mark the Jain festival of Paryushana.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001vvdq/pilgrimage-the-road-through-north-wales-episode-3?seriesId=b09w7lc0-structural-3-m001vvdk

Pilgrimage Moments: The Day of the Fast Transcript

Narrator:   Last night, Tom and Spencer decided to join Sonali on a fast.

Sonali:      It's really sludgy here.

Narrator:   To mark Paryushana the holiest eight days in the Jain calendar.

Spencer:   So we're fasting hey? You know how much longer we've got left? What is it, like, eight hours? Not that I'm counting, but seven hours, 52 minutes, 33 seconds. I just think we're more likely to have an enlightened experience if we're starving in inverted commas, you know, because it will be going through pain. Oh, these little bramble bushes are nice, aren't they?

Tom:         Oh, I love getting bramble bushes on my legs, actually.

Spencer:   Yes.

Tom:         It's a wonderful feeling.

Spencer:   What's this thing?

Tom:         It's something isn't it? There's definitely something, Spencer. Seems like we are nearing the top.

Christine:  Oh, wow.

Narrator:   The pilgrims have reached the ruins of an abandoned farming settlement.

Spencer:   Pilgrims. We have arrived at the Church of Saint Matthew's. Now gather round and we shall enjoy some lunch together. But not us, Tom. No. Not us.

Tom:         No. This seems like a great place to stop and not to have lunch.

Michaela:  Just you and me, Amanda.

Sonali:      I'm feeling really good today. Feel lighter.

Eshaan:     Exactly.

Sonali:      Yeah. There's something exhilarating about not feeling sluggish and then doing this kind of climb.

Eshaan:     Yeah.

Tom:         Yeah, it's more pleasant.

Eshaan:     I'm skipping lunch after having after having had three Weetabix, one Croissant and one Pain au Chocolat and a coffee.

Tom:         I respect your discipline.

Eshaan:     I just think it's the least I can do.

Spencer:   It's quite a strong feeling that I'm having towards it. Like I like I feel changed a little bit from it and I'm like, I haven't even done it yet.

Eshaan:     Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Spencer:   Just the idea of it. Let's go burn some calories just to make this easier.

Narrator:   The end of their day's walk gives the group a chance to catch up with the fasting pilgrims.

Tom:         I definitely do think on the walk. It did help to be fasted.

Eshaan:     Really why?

Tom:         I felt it was much easier to get into a flow state, like when I was just walking by myself. It was literally like five seconds, and then I felt like I was connected to nature and just like, very present in all of my steps. Um, when I'm talking to you guys, it completely ruined it.

Spencer:   Yeah.

Sonali:      I was a little taken aback that both Spencer and Tom wanted to join, but actually, having got to know them over the last week, they're sort of want to get as much, I think, out of this pilgrimage as possible.

Tom:         We are learning off of each other. Um, so the opportunity to participate in a festival of Somalis culture was one that I didn't want to miss really. I am hungry. I don't want to do it for 36 hours or whatever, but, uh, yeah, I've got a lot out of it.

Pilgrimage Moments: The Day of the Fast

Video length - 03.16
Published date - May 2025
Keystage(s) - 3 and 4

From the critically acclaimed BBC Two and iPlayer series Pilgrimage follows well known personalities of differing faiths and beliefs on a personal journey of discovery as they tackle some of the most famous walking routes across the UK and Europe. In this series the Pilgrims go to Wales in Pilgrimage The Road Through North Wales.

Sonali leads a discussion about forgiveness with the Pilgrims, starting with the Jain festival of Paryushana, ending with Spencer talking about his brother who died on Everest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001vvdn/pilgrimage-the-road-through-north-wales-episode-2?seriesId=b09w7lc0-structural-3-m001vvdk

Pilgrimage Moments: The Art of Forgiveness Transcript

Amanda:  Look at this, he's laid this table and everything for us. He's so lovely.

Spencer:   Did Eshaan do all this? What a legend.

Eshaan:    Right then Pilgrims.

Eshaan:    That's very kind. But you've got to taste it first.

Sonali:     And then we can give compliments to the chef.

Amanda:  100% on presentation.

Spencer:   Mashallah.

Eshaan:    Thank you. Brother. Thank you very much. Well, um, thank you to whatever it is you believe in for bringing us all together and giving us the opportunity to experience nature in all its glory, and for giving me the time, ability and space to be able to cook and feed my fellow pilgrims. Because feeding people is the way I show love. So if nothing else, even if you don't like the food, you at least know that I love you.

Eshaan:    Thank you.

Eshaan:    Enjoy. Enjoy the meal.

Sonali:     Eshaan. Thank you. This means even more for me because it is the eve of the holiest eight days in the Jain calendar.

Spencer:   Oh, really?

Sonali:     Tonight, so as of tomorrow, lots of Jains around the world will fast. Some of them even for eight days. Right. No food. I've never attempted the full eight days. I've not even. I've never gone over one day because it's not something that I want to do. Right. It's called Kshamavani . It's the festival of forgiveness. And what we say to each other is anytime you see anyone, you know, it's been part of your life over the last year, you say Micchami Dukkadam, which means please forgive me for anything that I may have said to you that offended you. Yeah. You know, on purpose, accidentally and all of that.

Tom:        I think if you don't mind, seeing as we're getting in these, you know, thin spaces in these spiritual head spaces which I have been in like a few times during this pilgrimage, I would like to use this opportunity to have one day fast tomorrow.

Spencer:   I'll do 24 hours with you.

Eshaan:    I'm also happy to try.

Spencer:   For Jains, 24 hours is nothing. And it's a little show of solidarity. Solidarity for Jains. And we should do it.

Tom:        What is it to say? Forgive me for anything that I've done.

Sonali:     Micchami Dukkadam,

Tom:        Micchami Dukkadam,

Sonali:     Which again.

Tom:        Micchami Dukkadam,

Spencer:   There's a big, um, theme of forgiveness through lots of the stuff that you said around Jainism in particular. Is that a really common theme through most religion, or is it specifically to Jain?

Sonali:     My understanding is it's part of a lot of religions. People always say, you cannot move on if you don't forgive. It's the greatest form of love, you know. Has any good come out of someone not forgiving someone?

Eshaan:    I've not forgiven God for what happened to my mum. She died very unexpectedly in the space of a week.

Spencer:   I find it really interesting that you would blame Allah for taking your mother.

Eshaan:    It's not so much that I blamed God. It's just that I knew my mum believed.

Spencer:   Yeah.

Eshaan:    And I was told my whole life. God decides, God gets involved. God decides your fate. And when I get criticised by other Muslims, as I often do because of my comedy, those critics. Whenever they come at me, I always think to myself, you know, you're so fervent in this belief. The moment my mum took her last breath, there was this being that my mum also believed in. Made the decision, according to your scripture, to take my mum away from me. And for me it was like, who is he to decide that? So I know I haven't let go of that. And I know a lot about Islam, and there's a lot about Islamic philosophy that I'm quite proud of and I think is beautiful and wonderful and I, I share with you, Alhamdulillah, all this stuff, you know, I'll share with you guys, but I will never, ever there will never be a time in my life where I will ever be a practising Muslim.

Spencer:   I personally don't feel that it needs to be literal forgiveness, like sitting down with someone and go you are forgiven. You know, like my brother's death, my parents and my other older brother knew that. You know, climbing Everest was a dangerous thing, particularly in 1999. Um, we were originally told that Mike was kind of lost on the mountain, and as a family, we treated his death, just as you would. Um, it was only kind of weeks later that we heard that there were some very serious issues with oxygen on the mountain. We thought for a very long time that it essentially was negligence. And it's very difficult to to prove any of that. But it's what we were hearing and it was a difficult thing to grow up with. I hated those people. Like I grew up hating those people, and I would I would get drunk when I was young and I would go into these holes of, like, wanting to harm these people. Yeah. Um, and I don't get that at all anymore. I don't necessarily forgive them, but I have let it go. Yeah. You know, there's no point in feeling the pain and the agony of the death 25 years after it's happened. I just realised that ultimately, harboring any kind of negative energy towards these people was was a waste of my time. I felt, you know, I've certainly tried to use Mike's death as a driver for good in my life. And, you know, I, I pray to him from time to time and kind of feel like he's a good presence in my life. Instead of feeling sad about him not being with me or wondering what could have been all the time.

Eshaan:    If you don't, if you don't mind me asking. You don't have to answer the question if you don't want to. What do you think Mike would say to you now if you saw the man you become?

Spencer:   Mike would love my kids. Mike would love my kids. And he would love my wife and like. And that's. I think he'd be delighted for me in that regard.

Eshaan:    He'd also love you. I mean, the fact that he was on Everest doing something so extreme. And the few days that I've known you, you are 100% his brother. You are a chip off the old block. Yeah, I've already messaged my friends about you and said, you know, it's so great to have someone like Spencer in my life because you inspire me. Do you know what I mean?

Spencer:   That's very kind, he inspired me, so.

Eshaan:    Yeah. So there you go. He's just passing down.

Sonali:     Michael's here with us.

Spencer:   Yeah, that's very kind of you. Thank you.

Pilgrimage Moments: The Art of Forgiveness

Video length - 06.10
Published date - May 2025
Keystage(s) - 3 and 4

From the critically acclaimed BBC Two and iPlayer series Pilgrimage follows well known personalities of differing faiths and beliefs on a personal journey of discovery as they tackle some of the most famous walking routes across the UK and Europe. In this series the Pilgrims go to Wales in Pilgrimage The Road Through North Wales.

In this Pilgrimage Moment, Spencer and Eshaan discuss whether or not St Winefride and Jesus Christ were real.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001vvdl/pilgrimage-the-road-through-north-wales-episode-1

Pilgrimage Moments: Fact or Fiction?

Spencer:  The Winifred story dates 630 A.D, yeah?

Eshaan:    Right. Yeah.

Spencer:  So 630 years after Christ. Like when? At what point does, um, fiction blend to turn to actual history? Like, do you know what I mean?

Eshaan:   Winifred existed. From what I understand, Winifred existed. Like, she's a real woman, irrespective of the story.

Spencer:   Winifred was a real person?

Eshaan:    A real person, a real person from a noble family, probably quite well-educated. There's evidence to prove that.

Spencer:   Okay. So? So I thought, like, Winifred was a kind of.

Eshaan:    Just a character.

Spencer:   Well, I wasn't sure. Right? Yeah, yeah. So. But the person the Saint Winifred existed?

Eshaan:    Existed.

Spencer:   Okay. Okay. So okay. That does that does make a difference to me because I have been sat here thinking that, you know, this is all Cinderella mounds type thing.

Eshaan:    So you thought this was a bit like a Winifred theme park, a bit like Harry Potter Park or something?

Spencer:   Yeah, yeah. Yeah, basically. Well, no, I'm just wondering when things became more, um, real.

Eshaan:    Perhaps when the people were able to document these things, when you were able to start beginning to document.

Spencer:   So, like, Jesus Christ definitely existed?

Eshaan:   Yeah.

Spencer:  I thought he could have been made up as well.

Spencer:  That's not disputed. So I didn't realise that. So I thought Jesus Christ was either something that you believe in or you don't. But I, I kind of thought he was fictitious.

Eshaan:    Yeah. No, no, no.

Eshaan:    He's a real person.

Spencer:   I honestly feel like this is a big deal.

Eshaan:   Yeah, I can see it in your eyes.

Spencer:   Yeah, yeah. No, it is like I've not. I have kind of likened religion to, to to just fairytales before.

Eshaan:    Yeah yeah of course.

Spencer:   Because it's kind of like well they're great stories. Yeah. People. And they transcend time because they're such good stories. Yeah. But like the fact that some of the I was about to say, key players when Jesus Christ was a bit more than the key player I think.

Eshaan:    Muslims think he's the vice captain. Yeah, they think Muhammed is the captain and Jesus is the vice captain. That's what they believe.

Spencer:   Muhammed is Allah is he?

Eshaan:    No.

Spencer:   Who is Muhammed?

Eshaan:    Muhammed is the prophet.

Eshaan:   He's the prophet of God.

Spencer:   I think. Let's not.

Eshaan:    There's too much.

Spencer:   It's too much for my kind of medium sized mind in this moment.

Eshaan:    Yeah to take in.

Spencer:   But I'm. I'm far more into Winifred now that I know she was real.

Amanda:  So you're all excited that you found out that Jesus was a real person Spencer?

Spencer:  Yeah. Yeah, honestly. Honestly I kind of feel a bit stupid but yeah yeah, it's changed a lot. I did. Yeah.

Amanda:  No, he was here. He was on this earth.

Spencer:   Real dude!

Amanda:  Yeah, he's a real dude.

Christine: But is there like photographic evidence?

Eshaan:    There weren't photographs.

Christine: See is there any evidence at all?

Amanda:  Yeah, it's all it's all scriptured.

 

Pilgrimage Moments: Fact or Fiction?

Video length - 03.15
Published date - May 2025
Keystage(s) - 3 and 4