Pilgrimage Moments: Fact or Fiction?

Spencer:  The Winifred story dates 630 A.D, yeah?

Eshaan:    Right. Yeah.

Spencer:  So 630 years after Christ. Like when? At what point does, um, fiction blend to turn to actual history? Like, do you know what I mean?

Eshaan:   Winifred existed. From what I understand, Winifred existed. Like, she's a real woman, irrespective of the story.

Spencer:   Winifred was a real person?

Eshaan:    A real person, a real person from a noble family, probably quite well-educated. There's evidence to prove that.

Spencer:   Okay. So? So I thought, like, Winifred was a kind of.

Eshaan:    Just a character.

Spencer:   Well, I wasn't sure. Right? Yeah, yeah. So. But the person the Saint Winifred existed?

Eshaan:    Existed.

Spencer:   Okay. Okay. So okay. That does that does make a difference to me because I have been sat here thinking that, you know, this is all Cinderella mounds type thing.

Eshaan:    So you thought this was a bit like a Winifred theme park, a bit like Harry Potter Park or something?

Spencer:   Yeah, yeah. Yeah, basically. Well, no, I'm just wondering when things became more, um, real.

Eshaan:    Perhaps when the people were able to document these things, when you were able to start beginning to document.

Spencer:   So, like, Jesus Christ definitely existed?

Eshaan:   Yeah.

Spencer:  I thought he could have been made up as well.

Spencer:  That's not disputed. So I didn't realise that. So I thought Jesus Christ was either something that you believe in or you don't. But I, I kind of thought he was fictitious.

Eshaan:    Yeah. No, no, no.

Eshaan:    He's a real person.

Spencer:   I honestly feel like this is a big deal.

Eshaan:   Yeah, I can see it in your eyes.

Spencer:   Yeah, yeah. No, it is like I've not. I have kind of likened religion to, to to just fairytales before.

Eshaan:    Yeah yeah of course.

Spencer:   Because it's kind of like well they're great stories. Yeah. People. And they transcend time because they're such good stories. Yeah. But like the fact that some of the I was about to say, key players when Jesus Christ was a bit more than the key player I think.

Eshaan:    Muslims think he's the vice captain. Yeah, they think Muhammed is the captain and Jesus is the vice captain. That's what they believe.

Spencer:   Muhammed is Allah is he?

Eshaan:    No.

Spencer:   Who is Muhammed?

Eshaan:    Muhammed is the prophet.

Eshaan:   He's the prophet of God.

Spencer:   I think. Let's not.

Eshaan:    There's too much.

Spencer:   It's too much for my kind of medium sized mind in this moment.

Eshaan:    Yeah to take in.

Spencer:   But I'm. I'm far more into Winifred now that I know she was real.

Amanda:  So you're all excited that you found out that Jesus was a real person Spencer?

Spencer:  Yeah. Yeah, honestly. Honestly I kind of feel a bit stupid but yeah yeah, it's changed a lot. I did. Yeah.

Amanda:  No, he was here. He was on this earth.

Spencer:   Real dude!

Amanda:  Yeah, he's a real dude.

Christine: But is there like photographic evidence?

Eshaan:    There weren't photographs.

Christine: See is there any evidence at all?

Amanda:  Yeah, it's all it's all scriptured.